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4.7 inch 45 pounder Quick Firing Gun

The 4.7 inch Quick Firing Gun shown below could throw a 45 pound projectile 10,000 yards. The 1893 Navy List shows that two of these guns were fitted to HMVS Nelson. The two 45 cwt guns on Nelson mentioned in The Argus on 10 December 1890 were most likely these 4.7 inch QF guns.



The photo of one of the two 4.7 inch QF guns was most likely taken after Nelson had been decommissioned. The cap tally being worn by A.B. Charles Lay reads HMVS Cerberus. In the foreground is a projectile balancing on top of its cartridge. Photo courtesy of Geoff Dougal.

DESCRIPTION OF 4.7 INCH (120m/m) QUICK-FIRING GUN.

DESCRIPTION OF GUN.

Calibre 4.724 inches.
Weight nominal 41½ cwt.
Length of bore 75ft. 9in.*
Length of rifling 14 ft. 3in.
Length of Chamber 1 ft 3.5in.
Length, total 16 ft 2.1in.

Number of grooves, 22.
Rifling, spiral increasing from 1 turn in 100 calibres at breech to one turn in 34.352 calibres at 6.65 inches from the muzzle; the remainder one turn in 34.352 calibres.

* The length of bore is most likely 15 ft 9 inches.
Manual for Victorian Naval Forces - 1890.

The type of gun most prominent here the 4.7 gun - is at present one of the strongest cards in the pack of the Elswick firm, which is greatly enamoured of it, as indeed is our own Government. It is, in fact, the pattern of gun which now forms the main armament of all our first-class cruisers, and it was chiefly designed to repel the attack of torpedo boats. The type found its first success in the fact that the 4.7 45-pounder gun could do in 47 seconds what it took the 5-inch B.L. gun five minutes to perform. It is capable of firing twelve shots a minute; and assuming a war-vessel to be armed with a broad-side of three of these guns, a torpedo boat would run seventy-two chances of being hit in the two minutes she would spend in speeding over the 1,300 yards she would probably need to traverse to begin her attack. By the way, artillerists, it seems, agree that a rate of about ten rounds a minute is sufficient for all guns larger than the 6-pounder; any quicker rate is liable to be obtained at the cost of impaired efficiency in other directions, and carelessness on the part of the crew in loading and aiming.

Royal Naval Exhibition, 1891; the Illustrated Handbook and Souvenir.




Two men of the Victorian or Australian Navy loading a 4.7 inch Quick Firing Gun
Photo send to Ken Booth by Frank Willcox, grandson of Francis J. Young V.N.


.45 inch Five Barrel Nordenfelt Machine Gun

1887circa 1880's
.45 inch Five Barrel Nordenfelt Maching Guns held by Museum Victoria

During the 1880's the Victorian Forces Lists simply state that Nordenfelt guns were used on board the following boats -

From 1893 the Victorian Forces Lists state that the boats were using two or four barrel one inch Nordenfelt machine guns.

Although it has always been assumed that the 5 barrel Nordenfelts were naval guns they were most likely used in the forts at the entrance to Port Phillip Bay.



32 Pounder 42 cwt Muzzle Loading Smooth Bore Gun



32 Pounder from HMVS Nelson in Kensington

On arrival in Victoria, Nelson carried twenty 32 pounder muzzle loading guns on the main deck. These guns weighed approximately 42 cwt. and were known as Monk Pattern C guns. When Nelson was cut down in 1879 some of these guns were moved to the Upper Deck. The remaining guns were removed from Nelson in late 1885 in favour of six inch breech loading guns.



32 Pounder 25 cwt Muzzle Loading Smooth Bore Gun



A 25 cwt 32 pounder Smooth Bore Gun
the same as used on board HMCS Victoria.

The gun shown is owned by the Clunes Museum.

On arrival in Victoria, HMCS Victoria carried two 32 pounder muzzle loading guns* on the main deck. These guns weighed approximately 25 cwt. and were positioned as broadside guns.

Armaments of HMCS Victoria

* On her arrival HMCS Victoria also carried one 56 cwt 32 pounder smooth bore gun at the bow on a pivot mount.

40 Pounder Rifled Breech Loading Gun

On 26 May 1866 the Argus newspaper reported that one of the 40 pdr field guns had been mounted on HMCS Victoria as a pivot gun on the upper deck.

On 30 August 1866 the 40 pdr on Victoria fired 9 rounds of common shot and shell at 2,500 yards and 2,000 yards. The percussion fuse of the shell ignited on touching the water.

The Argus, 31 Aug and 1 Sept 1866

The 40 pdr was still mounted on board HMCS Victoria as a pivot gun in November 1867.



One of the Colony's six Armstrong 40 pounder Rifled
Breech Loading Guns here seen mounted as a Field Gun.

The gun shown is on display at Fort Queenscliff.




One of HMS Warrior's 40 pounders mounted on a naval carriage
photo courtesy of Rik Shepherd.


Armaments of HMCS Victoria



7 inch 158 pounder Bow Chaser (Palliser Conversion)



One of the two Bow Chasers at Eaglehawk on a Carriage Slide Mount.

On arrival in Victoria, Nelson carried two 7 inch 6½ ton 158 pounder muzzle loading guns at the bow on the upper deck. Known as Bow Chasers these guns had been converted from 68 pounder Smooth Bore guns using the method developed by William Palliser. The 68 pounder was bored out slightly and a rifled wrought iron tube inserted. These guns are the only two of their kind that we are aware of.

As a result of the palliser conversion the gun now fired various projectiles (see box) weighing between 110 and 158 pounds approximately 3,000 metres. The accuracy was greater and the shell hit targets with much greater force. These converted guns were capable of piercing the armour of ships such as Warrior or Gloire.

In 1883 the guns on Nelson were described thus:- "The latter vessel is obsolete and all of her guns, with the exception of the two named (7-in M.L. Guns), are of such light calibre as to be practically useless."1


"The two bow-chasers are the old 68-pounders rebored (7in, bore), tubed, and rifled by the Palliser process, so as to carry double shell, weighing 158 lb. when charged; chilled elongated conical shot, weighing 150 lb; common shell weighing 115 lb., and great-case shot weighing 110 lb. The battering charge is 45 lb. of powder; full charge, 32 lb., and reduced charge, 14 lb...........The extreme range of the 150-pounders is 4,000 yards, but firing from the ship's decks it is only 3,000 yards*."

The Argus, 12 September 1870

* To achieve a range of 4,000 yards required a higher elevation than could be achieved by the guns as they stood.


Muzzle showing the three rifling grooves.Sir W. C. Armstrong & Co, Newcastle upon Tyne. on a trunnion.
As seen from the breech end.


8 inch Breech Loading Gun



The 8 inch BL Gun from HMVS Victoria.

Two of these guns were used in the Victorian Navy. Albert was originally fitted with an 8 inch breech loading gun in 1884 and Victoria had her 25 ton 10 inch BL gun replaced by an 8 inch gun in 1887.



The 8 inch Gun in action on board either Victoria or Albert.
Illustrated Australian News, 9 November 1889.

DESCRIPTION OF 8 INCH RBL GUN.

DESCRIPTION OF GUN.

Calibre 8 inches.
Weight 12 tons (Albert)
          12.5 tons (Victoria)
Preponderance nil
Length of bore 17ft. 4 in.
Length of rifling 13 ft. 10.82 in.
Total 18 ft 6.5 in.
Overall 19 ft. 3.5 in.

Number of grooves, 33.
Rifling, spiral increasing from 1 turn in 100 calibres at breech to 1 in 40 at 10.8 inches from the muzzle; remainder uniform twist, 1 in 40
Permanent angle of deflection, 1° 30' to the left, to compensate for twist of rifling.


Manual for Victorian Naval Forces - 1890.


10 inch Breech Loading Gun

When the gunboat HMVS Victoria arrived in Victoria in 1884 she carried a 25 ton 10 inch Breech Loading gun. Because of the difficulty in operating this gun it was replaced in 1887 with a 12 ton 8 inch gun of the same type as used in HMVS Albert.

"Her big 25-ton, or l0 inch breech-loading gun, 27ft. 8in. in length, situated, in her bows, naturally was viewed with great attention and interest. The maximum charge for this enormous weapon is 230lb. of powder, but 170lb. is the normal full charge. The weight of the projectile is 4001b. The range of the gun is 10,000 yards, while its projectile will penetrate 20 inches of wrought iron armour at 400 yards with a Palliser chilled shot." Australasian Sketcher, 25 August 1884



The 25 ton gun in HMVS Victoria in use at night.
Illustrated Australian News, 15 April 1885. courtesy of the Melbourne University Library.

9 pounder Breech Loading Gun

In 1884 HMVS Albert carried two 9 pounder Breech Loading guns on the beam, presumably one each side.2

DESCRIPTION OF 9 POUNDER RBL GUN.

Calibre 2.6 inches.
Weight 5 cwt
Preponderance 10 lbs
Length of bore 6ft. 3 in.
Length of rifling 5 ft. 4 in.
Length Overall 7 ft.
Number of grooves, 16.

Rifling, increasing, 1 in 100 at breech, 1 in 35 at 3 inches from muzzle, remainder 1 in 35
Elevation, 15°
Depression, 8°
Training, from 45° before to 45° abaft the beam.


Manual for Victorian Naval Forces - 1887.


12½ pounder Breech Loading Gun



12½ pounder at T.S. Perth
photo courtesy of Bob Glyde

In 1884 HMVS Victoria was reported as carrying two 12 pounder Breech Loading guns at the stern.3 These 12 pounder guns were most likely the 12½ pounder guns.

DESCRIPTION OF 12½ POUNDER RBL GUN.

Calibre 3 inches.
Weight 8 cwt
Preponderance 25 lbs
Length of bore 6ft. 9 in.
Length of rifling 5 ft. 7 in.
Length of chamber 11.8 in.
Length Overall 7 ft. 7.2 in.
Number of grooves, 10.

Rifling, increasing, 1 in 100 at breech, 1 in 30 at 7.5 inches from muzzle, remainder 1 in 30
Elevation, 20
Depression, 3°


Manual for Victorian Naval Forces - 1887.


6 inch Breech Loading Armstrong Gun



Albert's 6 inch Stern Gun

In 1884 HMVS Albert carried one 6 inch 4 ton Breech Loading gun at the stern.2 This gun was also fitted to Victoria, Gannet, Batman and Fawkner. In August three of these guns were placed on board HMVS Nelson for instructional purposes. (These could have been the guns allocated to Gannet, Batman and Fawkner.)



6 inch 4 ton Breech Loading Gun on a Vavasseur Mount.
Image from Scientific American, 13 March 1886
courtesy of Peter Webster.

DESCRIPTION OF 6 INCH BREECH LOADING ARMSTRONG GUN.

Calibre 6 inches.
Weight 4 tons
Preponderance 45 lbs
Length of bore 12ft. 9.9 in.
Length of rifling 10 ft. 2.07 in.
Length Overall 14 ft. 7.2 in.
Total length 13 ft. 10.04 in. Number of grooves, 28.

Rifling, spiral increasing from 0 at the breech to 1 turn in 40 calibres at 5.45 inches from the muzzle, the remainder 1 turn in 40 calibres.
Elevation, 20°
Depression, 7°
Training, 250° in Victoria & Albert, & rather more in Gannet, Batman, & Fawkner.


Manual for Victorian Naval Forces - 1887.


1½ inch, 1 pounder Hotchkiss Quick Firing Gun

From 1886 until 1892 Childers was listed as carrying two 1½ inch Hotchkiss Guns. From 1893 this description had changed to two 1-pounder Hotchkiss Q.F. Guns.



Hotchkiss 37 mm Quick Firing Gun in Argentina
Photo: www.shipmodels.info


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1 Statement for the Honorable the Treasurer, Papers Presented to Parliament, 2nd Session, 1883, vol. 2.
2 The Argus, 16 June 1884
3 Australasian Sketcher, 25 August 1884





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